First off, the customer service was second to none! These are my first carpet bags, and they are exactly what I wanted for playing outdoors in the humidity. The carpet stays consistent as advertised. And the 8.5 slick side is enough to keep it playing at decent speed when humid. It was 85 degrees yesterday right before the rain rolled in, so it was a pretty good test. And the night before when it dropped to 65, I actually had to wipe moisture off the boards with a towel. They are super hole friendly out of the box. I think that’s due to being a slightly smaller feel in hand. I have not used them indoors but look forward to trying them out. The feel of the carpet in hand feels much better to me than the Game Changer patch.Once they are broke in they are great bagsGood bags for players who likes more slip and not so much “stick”.Terrific feel and responsive. Quick shipment, all 4 landed perfectly!